DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

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Steve C

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Steve C » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:32 am

That reasoning makes it worse in my eyes.
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Wide And Nerdy

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Wide And Nerdy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:54 am

Steve C wrote:That reasoning makes it worse in my eyes.


How so? Easily 95% of what we know about the character, whats great about him and his supporting cast and all that is other writers and artists or its the work Siegel and Shuster did for hire for DC. They only had the most basic sketch and concept. And the estate is keeping it all tied up decades after the deaths of the creators. Superman keeps getting jerked around so that the real creators who are making the real contributions struggle to get things going with him.
Steve C

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Steve C » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:22 am

It's worse because apparently DC lost the copyrights to Superman in 2013. I'm going to assume that it is a valid claim, and this is a circumvention technique. Which case DC needs to put on their big boy pants, suck it up and pay royalties as the courts said they should. DC is effectively making a counterfeit product by changing it. (And the consensus is that the red trunks matter.) DC is a company that has actively lobbied for the extension and expansion of copyright. (I'm against all of that, especially the retroactive nonsense.) Years ago DC screwed over the creators and didn't give them a fair cut. Now their estates have them by the underwear. Lie in the bed you made DC.

DC did win the larger battle. Note that outside the US there are laws entrenching "author rights" that cannot be sold, transferred or impinged. Outside of the US the copyright would have expired. Outside of the US, DC would not be able to change Superman's trunks. Outside the US, what copyrights exist, DC owns fully.

Superman should be straight up public domain. DC should consider themselves lucky.
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Wide And Nerdy

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Wide And Nerdy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:01 am

Steve C wrote: Note that outside the US there are laws entrenching "author rights" that cannot be sold, transferred or impinged.


So they're limiting the creator's ability to make money off his product. If I make something and I want to make money off it I have to keep creating for it rather than selling it, making a last bit of cash and turning my attention elsewhere. This would reduce the value of my creation because I can't give anyone else exclusive access to my creation.
Steve C

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Steve C » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:25 am

No. Look it up if you want to know more. Don't just make up crap.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:05 am

Copyright is one of those things that got really warped from what it originally meant to be.The point of having actual judges in court is not "sometimes laws are unambiguous".You can make that shit to be 100% unambiguous and simply punish everyone for straying a tiny bit from the letter of the law.The point of judges(and jury,when present) is to uphold the spirit of the law.And the spirit of copyright law is to make it so that creative people can benefit from their creative ideas,and prevent malicious people from profiting by simply parading someone elses idea.But,like with everything,once money got involved,the whole shebang morphed into this...thing,that benefits corporations and not the people,that serves to propagate money and not creativity.

So to me,Id rather have those that draw superman be embarrassed by his overunderwear than this.When comedians* I like change their routine because they thought it was harmful,it annoys me,but at least I can respect that their opinions on the world simply differ from mine.When they do it to appease the law,I have no respect for that law,because it stems from greed and nothing else.

*I use comedians here because thats where I encounter such a change the most.Same applies to any creative person.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:42 am

After a long wait,I finally got me some ham.And boy was it deliciously hammy.
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Andrew

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Andrew » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:09 am

Daemian Lucifer wrote:After a long wait,I finally got me some ham.And boy was it deliciously hammy.

Oh is it finally back??

It's a public holiday in Australia today so I'm not going to be home until late at night but this will be first on my list of things to do tomorrow!

Sounds like it was worth the wait?
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:36 am

Ah the good ol' "In the future I am emo".

Wait...Could it be that savitar is ronnie?I mean I expected it was one of the core group(probably barry or julian),but why not bringing someone back from the dead?They do it rather often.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed May 03, 2017 4:23 am

Daemian Lucifer wrote:Ah the good ol' "In the future I am emo".


And emo is the ultimate evil.Never go full emo.
Steve C

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Steve C » Thu May 18, 2017 1:48 pm

Bad idea Barry strikes yet again. I'm kind of surprised they finally did it. They finally killed Iris. Very surprising because it was a switcheroo. The real victim was HR using the disguise wand. Which is why the first part of the episode existed.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Thu May 18, 2017 2:30 pm

Steve C wrote:Which is why the first part of the episode existed.


Nah,the true reason for the first part is snart.Because snart is cool.Everything else is just secondary.
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Andrew

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Andrew » Mon May 22, 2017 1:32 am

I have avoided this thread for some time because there is just nothing interesting to say about Flash, Arrow or Gotham. I am finding these last few episodes to be lack-lustre and/or full of ridiculous plot devices and overall terrible writing.

HOWEVER, I am really looking forward to Arrow's finale this week. It's not that I think it will be a good episode or a satisfying end to the season story, but Deathstroke. It's all about Deathstroke.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Tue May 23, 2017 6:04 am

Andrew wrote:I have avoided this thread for some time because there is just nothing interesting to say about Flash


Not true,there was snart.Snart is interesting.

As for gotham,the ham between penguin and riddler was glorious.And lee is such an idiot.

Best line however was the silly "Im not a cop,Im a butler".
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Andrew

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Andrew » Wed May 24, 2017 3:23 am

Daemian Lucifer wrote:And lee is such an idiot..

Yes, they have absolutely ruined her character. It's at the point where I just don't see redemption for her no matter what. Better to let her leave and never come back.

As for Flash...

... I believe I said months ago they would never actually kill Iris and what do you know?!

Shit, that was awful finale. Full of plot holes, terrible character decisions, and the bad kind of cheese. I DO, however, like that they kept Killer Frost as Killer Frost, to a certain extent. Turning her back to Caitlin Snow would have ruined seasons worth of character development. I wonder whether Julian and/or Tracy will be part of the regular cast next season as a result. Looks like we have Harry back next season at least. I am very happy about that. I never bought into the HR character, as charming as he was.

Probably the only thing I liked about it, in the end, was the hook for next season. Does Wally have what it takes to be the Flash? Does he have what it takes to carry this show?? How long before they bring Barry back. I estimate no more than 3 episodes. 4 if they are brave. I am very curious how they go about running a season of Flash where the bad guy isn't a speedster.

My hope for superhero closure now lies with Arrow, tomorrow. I am not optimistic.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed May 24, 2017 4:15 am

I watched a great finale of a time traveling story a couple of days ago,so this lackluster one doesnt bother me.
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Andrew

Re: DC Universe thread- (Holy SPOILERS Batman!)

Postby Andrew » Wed May 24, 2017 5:26 am

Heh, I see what you did there.

I've still only seen 2 episodes.. :P

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