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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Supahewok » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:44 am

Daemian Lucifer wrote:And this is exactly how absurd bioware romances would look like in real life.Thank god for vg cats.Which is not really like real life...because they are cats...and crazy...so just like real life cats...ummm....what was I talking about again?


That's actually a Fire Emblem: Awakening joke. But maybe you already knew that.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Humanoid » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:47 am

I read that post (and comic) on Sunday and didn't realise that. Then by pure coincidence I started playing Fire Emblem yesterday, so now I get it.

Incidentally it's officially the first game I've played on my n3DS, which I've owned since February. I knew it'd work out eventually.
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Supahewok

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Supahewok » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:16 am

Erfworld has started updating with the new art team in place, and I gotta say, I much prefer the new style.

Interesting fact that I noticed: Erfworld has its own Patreon-like system that pays for every on-time update. During the past month of restructuring, the total money per on-time update increased from $800 something to the current $1322.50 from 879 pledgers. That doesn't sound like a lot, until you take into account that that amount gets paid (approximately) 8 times a month. That comes out to $10580 a month from 879 pledgers, which I believe is the largest amount of patronage being paid to a webcomic on the web. David Willis' Dumbing of Age gets $4845/month, and the vast majority of other webcomics fall below that. The biggest that I've been able to find was Jeph Jacque's Questionable Content at $9842.50/month from 3709 backers. So Erfworld is making more money than the next biggest project with only a quarter of the number of backers.

Of course, both amounts would be dwarfed if one of the old giants were to turn to Patreon, such as OotS or Penny Arcade. And a lot of Erfworld's growth happened during what could be seen as a crisis period, and some of it may subside after a time. But I still think that it makes for an interesting point about Erfworld's fanbase compared to other comics.
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4th Dimension

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:42 am

Supahewok wrote:Erfworld has started updating with the new art team in place, and I gotta say, I much prefer the new style.

Interesting fact that I noticed: Erfworld has its own Patreon-like system that pays for every on-time update. During the past month of restructuring, the total money per on-time update increased from $800 something to the current $1322.50 from 879 pledgers. That doesn't sound like a lot, until you take into account that that amount gets paid (approximately) 8 times a month. That comes out to $10580 a month from 879 pledgers, which I believe is the largest amount of patronage being paid to a webcomic on the web. David Willis' Dumbing of Age gets $4845/month, and the vast majority of other webcomics fall below that. The biggest that I've been able to find was Jeph Jacque's Questionable Content at $9842.50/month from 3709 backers. So Erfworld is making more money than the next biggest project with only a quarter of the number of backers.

Of course, both amounts would be dwarfed if one of the old giants were to turn to Patreon, such as OotS or Penny Arcade. And a lot of Erfworld's growth happened during what could be seen as a crisis period, and some of it may subside after a time. But I still think that it makes for an interesting point about Erfworld's fanbase compared to other comics.

I think David Willis doesn't only use Patreon for financial support. He also does Kickstarters regularly whenever a new book is available and strech goals on those are things like DoA being updated on the weekends or during all 5 days of the work week and such. And these KS campaigns almost always seriously go over the last stretch goal tier. So a lot of his monthly pay is coming from KS too.
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Thomas

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:36 am

That was a really impressive turn-around on that. They hired an art team, trained it (admittedly a lot easier thanks to Xin), built up a buffer and released in one month. As a follower of the incredible solo job that is Unsounded, I'm totally okay with month long breaks happening to build up a buffer anyway (admittedly though, Ashley Cope is the solo writer and artist and Unsounded's art looks amazing and super time consuming)
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby SpammyV » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:50 am

Thomas wrote:That was a really impressive turn-around on that. They hired an art team, trained it (admittedly a lot easier thanks to Xin), built up a buffer and released in one month. As a follower of the incredible solo job that is Unsounded, I'm totally okay with month long breaks happening to build up a buffer anyway (admittedly though, Ashley Cope is the solo writer and artist and Unsounded's art looks amazing and super time consuming)


Also, Ashley Cope is 100% upfront about any break that she is going to take and the news that she'll be taking a break is right on the front page underneath the button you click to get to the newest pages.

Aside from site design, news updates have become one of the things I appreciate in webcomics. The Trenches, which is supposed to be a collaboration between Penny Arcade and PVP will suddenly stop updating for weeks or months. It stopped updating for so long I was almost certain that it had be officially discontinued, but when I tried to navigate the forums I found nothing. But I go to Unsounded and if there's a break I get to know it.

I guess what I'm getting at is Unsounded is not only an amazing story it should also be the focus of studies on how to design your webcomic site. So many lessons people need to learn from Unsounded. It's actually sad.
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4th Dimension

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:59 pm

I have to agree, I like the Unsounded and Stay Still Stay Silent's level of professionalism when delivering content. I like U even more now that the writer will post a bunch of updates at once instead of once per 3 days and take off for a month in order not to break the flow of the story.
In the long run I don't think once per month dozen of pages approach would work for all comics, you do want to keep your audience engaged so they visit your site during the entire month and so they don't skip an update day, but following a long action scene with a lot actors a page per day is HAARD.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:32 pm

Yeah, I'm really happy she asked what we wanted for the latest update, it can be brutal trying to keep track of action when it takes a month from start to finish.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby SpammyV » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:20 pm

Justice League 8 is adorable, The Joke is that it's members of the Justice League as eight year olds in the same elementary schoold class having precocious elementary school kid drama (like Peanuts). It's very cute. And it may be just product of timing but it also seems like it was really written by a Wonder Woman fan.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:09 pm

Just read it after your comment and I love it :)
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby SpammyV » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:33 pm

Going back to The Trenches... In addition to annoying me with the news-less way they go about things I think they've also lost their distinctiveness. Before it was another video game webcomic but it had a distinct focus on on being a video-game QA themed Dilbert. Wacky office life with hilariously incompetent managers and companies. First they were doing QA on an MMO, then they all got fired from that and hired by the QA lead when he quit to go indie, then their indie studio got gobbled up by a AAA publisher and now... it's Yet Another Video Game Webcomic. Counting backwards from the current comic: Pokemon Go joke, Pokemon Go joke, Etsy joke, actual company humor, Fallout 4 joke, Netflix joke, Isaac is a Jerk arc. Which includes stuff about breaking NDAs so I guess that was finally on topic. Until halfway through the arc when they stopped on the "Break NDA to get popular" discussion.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:54 pm

Yeah it's crap now. I still have it in my bookmark list but for the love of god I don't know why. The attempt to broaden it and breathe life into characters fell completely flat and on top of it all I don't care at all for the protagonist. Anything that happens to him leaves me with meh. Not to mention that several times I felt lost trying to figure out what is happening. No that comic is totally useless now.

Thank you for JL8. Do we know when and how often and if at all it updates? Also how is the writer not getting sued. I guess because he runs no ads and probably sells no merch connected to it thus he is not profiting on other people's copyright, so he is fine.
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Thomas

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:26 pm

It's been on hiatus since May and the author said back then that'd he return this September/October. In June he posted this page which you might not have seen since there seem to be quite a few sites hosting it.
http://jl8comic.tumblr.com/post/1225273 ... family-for
When it wasn't on hiatus I think it was once a week?

It is amazing that DC seem to let it exist (don't know about it?) because it's the kind of series that DC might legitimately publish and sell. In fact I'm pretty sure Marvel or DC has done a baby superheroes line or one-off special. I mean Blue Milk walks a fine line with Star Wars and Blue Milk is much more straightforward parody.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Supahewok » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:10 pm

My thoughts on the Trenches are that the authors only ever had ideas for the first arc in mind (when they're doing QA for the MMO). They never really thought past "make jokes about the modern QA process in AAA development." Which is fine on its own, but then they tried to continue when they'd mined that idea for all that it was worth, and it turned out that they really didn't have anything else to play with.

Plus, they became rather terrible with updating on time/hiatuses, which didn't surprise me because Scott Kurtz was involved. I don't know what happened, but in the past few years that guy has really fallen off the wagon of timely updates. Even his main comic, PvP, which is one of the fathers of modern webcomics, has suffered from missed days and erratic hours of updates, and both the art and writing has stagnated. Same problem with another of the projects he's the head of, Table Titans: after a while, updates became erratic, although that's been fixed since he's turned the comic over to a new writer/artist.

I dunno. Something is up with that guy.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:57 pm

Thomas wrote:It's been on hiatus since May and the author said back then that'd he return this September/October. In June he posted this page which you might not have seen since there seem to be quite a few sites hosting it.
http://jl8comic.tumblr.com/post/1225273 ... family-for
When it wasn't on hiatus I think it was once a week?

It is amazing that DC seem to let it exist (don't know about it?) because it's the kind of series that DC might legitimately publish and sell. In fact I'm pretty sure Marvel or DC has done a baby superheroes line or one-off special. I mean Blue Milk walks a fine line with Star Wars and Blue Milk is much more straightforward parody.

Haven't read that one. I read all the ones that were posted here: http://limbero.org/jl8/200
He is going to conventions and I doubt he is going there not to sell merchandise and stuff, and since his main thing is this he is definitely using the likeness of DC characters for money. I'm really not sure what is his thinking on this. So far the only reason he is not getting stomped on is that he is below their radar.
And yes, if DC had any sense and the author was agreeable this would make a nice alt-universe book. The only problem that might present itself is how punctual is this guy when it comes to delivering comics on time, and weather he would stand the eventual executive meddling.

Read Henchgirl, and it is good. The main issue is that it seems to update only weekly which is painful.

As for Scott I still follow PvP although I don't have much of an interest in it any more. The main problem I guess in that one is that it lost it's focus and become about the struggles of 20+ gamers. And I actually do like much more the offshots that he promotes on his site: Table Titans and PLOX. Still the update schedules on those are atrocious and I check them only once they geature on the front page of PVP since that means they got updated. Schedule on PVP has not been slipping much I think, though.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:09 pm

Thomas wrote:It is amazing that DC seem to let it exist (don't know about it?) because it's the kind of series that DC might legitimately publish and sell.


Im amazed that dc hasnt already tried this one.I mean they had bat baby way back when.
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Supahewok

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Supahewok » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:16 pm

I just checked through the past 2 months of PvP's archive: He missed a Friday in this month, and 7 or 8 days in September, 2 or 3 of which were around a con so can be excused. The rest, not so much. The uncertainty in my count is due to some updates being dated on the weekend, which they shouldn't be. They might be late ones? Or something is messed up in his archival system.

You should really go back to checking Table Titans itself though, now that Kurtz has delegated it to someone else updates have actually been coming out on a steady T-Th schedule. I think. Its actually really hard to tell because the archival system for that site is atrocious, so I can't check the dates. But its been getting at least 2 updates a week on T-Th.

Edit: Actually I think its updating daily, minus Friday and weekends. A sub-comic has begun running on the same site on Fridays, and there's 4 updates of the main comic in between its updates.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:36 am

4th Dimension wrote:He is going to conventions and I doubt he is going there not to sell merchandise and stuff, and since his main thing is this he is definitely using the likeness of DC characters for money. I'm really not sure what is his thinking on this. So far the only reason he is not getting stomped on is that he is below their radar.
And yes, if DC had any sense and the author was agreeable this would make a nice alt-universe book. The only problem that might present itself is how punctual is this guy when it comes to delivering comics on time, and weather he would stand the eventual executive meddling.
He creates a professional comic that he owns the IP to, so when he goes to conventions he could be selling the merch for that.

Saying that he does images like this for commission
http://yalestewart.tumblr.com/image/126707757041

Now technically he could be doing commission for free... but I doubt that's whats going on. So he's actually just very directly making money out of drawing and selling pictures of DC characters? The only way he can be getting away with this is if DC just don't know he's doing it right? And yet he attends some pretty big conventions. I didn't think DC was allowed to just let things like this slide.

It would be pretty cool if DC were to have published and officialised his work though. I bet it would sell well. But he stresses that his non-JL8 comic is a creator-owned which makes me think he might have some ideological problems working for DC.

Incidentally, the person who owns and runs Limbero.com is not the author of JL8 so part of me wants to imagine that someone else decided to just steal Yale Stewarts work because he knows Yale Stewart can't do a thing about it considering he's already basically doing the same thing to DC
Read Henchgirl, and it is good. The main issue is that it seems to update only weekly which is painful.

I really wish it was already finished. There's so much I want to see happen and it's going to take forever with weekly updates


EDIT: Definitely sells JL8 merc at his conventions
https://www.facebook.com/jl8comiclol/ph ... 00/?type=3
The convention owners even ask him to make exclusive prints for them. So everyone must know what he's doing and be cool with it right?

EDITED EDIT:
All our questions are answered in the FAQ which I finally found after looking without luck
Q: Do you have a blog/website anything where I can possibly buy some artwork? Are you planning on ever putting the comic strip into a book or collection? I realize that may not be possible since they are owned by DC.
A: As it stands, I’m still pretty fuzzy on a lot of the legalities surrounding any kind of profit I could possibly make via JL8. It should be noted that I’m nothing more than an ASPIRING comic book artist at this point, and certainly wouldn’t want to obliterate any chance I have of becoming a professional by illegally making money using someone else’s properties.

That being the case, original art, prints, and collections are unavailable until I can sort out what is and isn’t allowable. However, I do know that commissioned work IS legal, as artists are commissioned to draw pictures of copyrighted characters at cons all the time without legal repercussion. Therefore, I can happily accept and provide commissioned work of JL8 characters (or any other), but that will likely be the extent of available art for some time.

Finally, I’m becoming more and more comfortable with the idea of actually presenting this comic to DC as a pitch. I don’t know exactly how they’d see it, but it’s safe to say it’s being fairly well-received by the reading public thus far. The only catch is that currently, my followers and “notes” are relatively low, and I imagine if they were higher, it would provide me with a degree of leverage in getting the strip picked up. It can’t be understated how important reblogs and word-of-mouth are to the growth of independent comics of all kinds, and any and all of it is certainly appreciated. Personally, I’m content with this being something I do when I get home from work and leaving it at that, but if you really like the comic, and would like more updates per week and who knows what else, getting the word out and driving traffic is a great way to help provide support.


So it looks like he wants DC to publish it too

3rd EDIT:

Others twists in the tale

1) It seems like he got hired to write some legal stories about Superman etc for kids
2) The FAQ must be out of date because he has sold original artwork and apparently he got away with it because DC liked him as a person and liked the reception JL8 got. However when he got some bad press DC started to consider actually suing him (rumoured).
3) He has got cease and desisted... by the Baseball Association because JL8 was originally called 'Little League'
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:17 am

Supahewok wrote:I just checked through the past 2 months of PvP's archive: He missed a Friday in this month, and 7 or 8 days in September, 2 or 3 of which were around a con so can be excused. The rest, not so much. The uncertainty in my count is due to some updates being dated on the weekend, which they shouldn't be. They might be late ones? Or something is messed up in his archival system.

I think he posts the strips often times late in the day, so he is not regular in that regard, but when he does post them he posts them as posted on the day they are supposed to have came out.
Will see about Table Titans.
EDIT: Now that I see your edit, "latness" might be attributed to me not knowing his actual schedule + me being in European time zone, so out days don't align.

@Thomas: So the rabbit hole does go deep. From what I read, and I admit to having skimmed that article, it seems to me that DC wasn't completely down with JL8 being published on the internet but they didn't want a PR backlash of attacking a known and popular small time comic, and appearing as monsters. So they green lit some work for them while ignoring JL8 and bided their time to strike. And they did once allegations about him being a asshole (dickpics kind of ass) started doing rounds in the Internet.
On the other hand all this is news from 2014. We don't know anything about the situation since then.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby SpammyV » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:29 am

I kind of feel like if he did get JL8 turned into an actual comic book, the presentation might change. And one of the things that I like about JL8 is that it looks like a very well done newspaper comic. It may be nostalgia/Calvin & Hobbes talking, but that gets points from me.
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4th Dimension

Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:39 am

Do comic books really need to have the same art style, because the art style here is deliberate and part of the art.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:10 am

DC was going through a terrible period in its life where it thought all its comics should have the same art style. Luckily that phase is over and they've embraced individual art styles again. If the idea ever did get accepted, you'd hope they'd see the art as one of the draws
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby SpammyV » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:38 am

The really distracting thing about Henchgirl is to me almost everyone looks like they're 14.
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby Thomas » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:49 am

They look Scott Pilgrim age! (Seriously guys, she's Brian O'Malley's long lost clone)
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Re: Favourite webcomics

Postby 4th Dimension » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:57 pm

JL8 update you guys.

Anyway today something rare happened. Schlock mercenary didn't update because the entire DNS record of the site was gone. But despite that the comic still got through (via facebook and other fan sites).

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