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Supahewok

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Deta

Postby Supahewok » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:57 pm

I'll admit, I fell off of watching AoS late last season and never tried to go back to it. I've read the episode summaries, so I have a pretty good idea of what happened, but something's not clear: why and how is Coulson no longer Director, and what does that make him now?
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Daemian Lucifer

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Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:03 pm

Supahewok wrote: what does that make him now?


An armed agent.
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JadedDM

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Deta

Postby JadedDM » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:15 pm

This is a new Ghost Rider, one that was created a few years ago and is not the same as the one Nic Cage played. And this one drives a car. In fact, that scene in the beginning of the episode is straight from the comics, it seems.
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4th Dimension

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Postby 4th Dimension » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:50 pm

Supahewok wrote:I'll admit, I fell off of watching AoS late last season and never tried to go back to it. I've read the episode summaries, so I have a pretty good idea of what happened, but something's not clear: why and how is Coulson no longer Director, and what does that make him now?

Yeah I didn't like the second half of the last season as much as I adored the first part, mostly I think it had to do with me never being Grant Ward fan so I found his continued existence annoying as FUCK.

Basically what happened is that AoS went mainstream. During second half they reestablished the contact with the US government directly through contact with the president. During the season they often acted under cover of being ATCU personnel, and Talbot was placed as the chief of ATCU with the clear directive that he needs to follow Coulson's lead. From what I heard during this episode it seams that the end of the last season and effectual fall of AoS main base required Talbot to call in the troops. This revealed the AoS to the public, and combined with the Sokovia accords and wanting to keep the existence of Coulson a secret (and probably he was blamed for the whole Hive fiasco and the fall of his base) he was removed from the post of official director. Although his continued inability to capture Daisy in months since then has further convinced those higher ups that his judgement is clouded and he got progressively more sidelined. Now he is basically back to where he was in season 1, AoS no1 troubleshooter when dealing with the Gifted on board of the Bus. Only the party has been split with only Mack coming with him. We are likely to learn the actual reasons in the next episode.
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4th Dimension

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby 4th Dimension » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:34 pm

Watched the second episode, and it was a good one. We met the new director and the episode succesfully did the whole not liking him, kind of liking him and then not trusting thing on the audence. I get they are trying hard to make him unlikeable but I can not shake the feeling that he is right concerning Coulson and his relationship with May and Daisy. On the other hand he is probably planing to do something STUPID with May.
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Daemian Lucifer

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Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:06 am

Well this is huge.So if this sticks(which I hope it will),theres a chance that they finally officially reconnect with the movie universe.Because this is too big to be overlooked like the rest of the things.
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4th Dimension

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby 4th Dimension » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:43 pm

And I have just rediscovered why I love this show. I love seeing the crew fighting in nice suits, seemingly effortlessly taking out bad guys. Also the fact that the show can be smart about it's technical solutions UNLIKE certain other show from DC that has a lot of "science".

Well they have managed to ignore the rise of Inhumans even during the Sokovia talks, so couple of cities loosing power for a short while shouldn't be that difficult to avoid talking about.
On the other hand rise of SHIELD is another thing entirely. Unless they smash that by the end of the season and the SHIELD has to go back to hiding again or something. Also this is the last season before they axe the show right? So ignoring it's continuity shouldn't be trouble, except the fact that SHIELD is back in limelight.
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Daemian Lucifer

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Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:02 am

The director constantly gets portrayed as a sleazy villain,but he really is not.He is a pushover,yes,but that doesnt make him a bad guy.A bad director compared to coulson,and especially fury,but not a bad person.I feel sorry for him.

The prison scene with ghost rider was funny.
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4th Dimension

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby 4th Dimension » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:43 pm

I really need to pick this up because as I said the second episode reminded me of why I like AoS. But unfortunately currently some other form of entertainment is my crack and is eating away at my time.

That is kind of also my impression of him. It seems the series is really trying had to portray him as a problem when in fact he is mostly right about things, and when he is wrong it's because the team is breaking the expectations.
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:16 am

I found out Agents of Shield was not on this week when I went looking for it.I found this as a consolation prize.
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Daemian Lucifer

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Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:35 pm

"Driving off against orders!With no helmet!"

I love that guy.

So is this the expected ultron 2.0,or is this a more benevolent covert plan by an android boosted by unknown alien tech?
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:03 am

No idea. A lot of directions they could take it and the show likes misdirect the audience and subvert tropes. Could go anywhere. Pretty dumb not to be watching Ada closely after though. It's always a slow decline after exposure to that book. The characters all know that. It's bad writing if the characters just ignore that. Especially since the book could have completely rewritten her like flashing a new BIOS.

I find it interesting that Radcliffe rejected the book. It's interesting because other people who have used the book wanted very specific things. Specialist knowledge for a specific drive creating a crazy desire. Radcliffe has a very broad understanding and set of interests so it was simply too much. That's a cool justification.

Really liked the episode BTW. Doing each scene twice from the two perspectives was gimmicky. It worked well. Everything they did in the episode could have been done without the gimmick. It was just a set of conversations after all. Doubling each scene punched it up. It turned what could have been a mediocre episode into something really good.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:45 pm

Hah,phil drops a phil reference.I approve.

Well now,they cannot subvert all of the tropes.Still,enough to keep questioning which ones hold true.

Wait,sokovia accords bans ai?What about vision?
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Ringwraith

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Ringwraith » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:14 pm

He's not exactly an AI, not anymore, although he doesn't exactly understand his own existence either. He is the Mind stone, in a sense.
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JadedDM

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby JadedDM » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:44 pm

He might have also been grandfathered in, since the Sokovia Accords did not yet exist when Vision was created.
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:39 am

TIL that a bunch of mini-epsiodes exist for the current season break. They are called Slingshots.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:33 pm

Shame no one mentioned data,because he was a robot in movies of the last 30 years that did NOT rebel against humans.And everyone keeps forgetting about poor vision.That makes me sad.

Huh...Well,I did not see that coming.I mean I shouldve but they tricked me so well.Say what you want about the show,but its really good when it comes to long cons,and thats a rare treat.

The question now is,how intuitive will coulson be?We know that he is smart enough to figure it out,but will he?My bet is on him playing poker with the droid.
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:29 am

Yeah that was an excellent long con. I loved the ending. Trope subversion done very well. As for Coleson, I'm not convinced he hasn't already figured something is up. I'm getting the impression that he's playing May, trying to figure out what is going on. In the scene where {{spoilers}} they are 'trapped' in the office room I simply didn't believe it. It's a freaking office door. His hand is strong enough to rip that handle straight off. Then there is May. Her being stopped by a door and not trying anything? I don't think so. She would grab a chair and break that door down. Even if it didn't work, she would at least do more than sit on the floor and banter about old times. It's completely unlike May.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:50 am

Radcliffe is a much better architect than the architect.

Nice to see fitz figure it all out(mostly).But why did he shoot it in the head?Dont they need the head in order to extract relevant info?Why not shoot it in the chest?Though it wouldve been funny if he was wrong and that was the real radcliffe.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:28 am

Well,thats an interesting power.

Radcliffe is completely mad.But its nice to see that he is still smart when it comes to the darkhold,not reading it himself.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:47 am

They shouldve named this one "robots of shield".
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:00 pm

Why? Because the acting was so bad? That's what I noticed along with the over blown music. It's like the cast were told they were robots and they interpreted that to mean "bad acting."

It felt like a season cliffhanger so I checked. Next eps is April 4, 2017. Which is a little long to wait for the final eps of the season. All momentum will be lost by then. I've heard this is the final season too so maybe that is what they want; the show to go out on a whimper.
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Daemian Lucifer

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:57 am

An interesting take on nature vs nurture.

I also wonder if theyll show what has been happening in the real world during all of this.And how much time has actually passed.

I also also wonder how closely the two adas are to each other.The real world one should be much more restrained,but is she less emotional as well?Does that make the matrix one more human?Or just more psychotic.
Steve C

Re: Agents of SHIELD (Spoilers Here, In Extra Ludicrous Detail)

Postby Steve C » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:08 am

I wasn't crazy about the whole framework and evil robots plotline. Now I miss it. This whole Agents of Hydra ending to Shield is pointless and lame. I don't find it believable nor interesting. It would have been a fine bizzaro-world for half an episode or one full episode. It has gone on way way too long.

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