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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Narratorway » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:51 am

Still think the Amazing series had the best rendition of Spiderman even if it had the worst plots.

Man, Planet of the Apes, you take yourselves waaaaaaay too seriously. It's a competent level of serious, so it's never bad, but it sure aint fun. I don't watch movies of monkeys with guns on horseback for goddamned drama, but here you are just shoving pathos up every goddamn piece of celluloid ya got. Christ almighty, you got Steve Zahn to sell a dramatic moment.

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I mean...okay. That's a neat trick, but again: Monkeys with guns on horseback. I came for trash, not for feels! Also, holy shit does this movie remind me of Reign of Fire.
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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Ringwraith » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:55 am

I do hear the trailers are highly misleading as to what the film is actually about.
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Postby Narratorway » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:11 pm

They basically made a different movie in the trailer I saw.
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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Wide And Nerdy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:30 pm

Daemian Lucifer wrote:I can say that its good.Its not the most epic of marvel movies,it doesnt have an amazing groundbreaking story,nor the best action scenes,but Im putting it as one of the best marvel movies.This guy,he is the real spiderman.He is an awkward nerd with superpowers,he has no clue how to juggle two identities yet he is trying to because he doesnt want his aunt to worry.He is a kid superhero going against grown up criminals who can see through his lies in seconds,and he is doing things he thinks are right and moral.And thats great.Im putting this guy up there with captain america,who is still the one I like the most.

Oh,and the world spiderman is living in?Its the realest one of the whole franchise.If aliens were to crash into the real world,heck yeah people would attempt to integrate their tech like in this movie.


My only sticking point is MJ. They didn't try at all to get her right.

It was like they were actively trying to make MJ the exact opposite of her comic book incarnation. Unattractive (coded as unattractive anyway, she's Hollywood Homely in this movie), weird bordering on autistic, introverted, cynical and negative, the wrong race and hair color and they didn't even get her name right (the M in MJ is short for Mary, not Michelle). MJ of the comics is an extremely extraverted red headed caucasian* supermodel who very much fits in and is the life of the party.

I'd heard there was a twist in this movie and it ended up being a pleasant surprise. I'm referring to The Vulture turning out to be Liz's dad. It made for a pretty intense scene when Parker met the family on date night.

I also liked the villain. Nicely conceived. I sympathized with him having his livelihood stolen from him by the government. Now I don't condone his reaction to it but for me at least, it made him a more complicated villain. I also like how his profession tied into his supervillain name, the Vulture. That was kind of slick.

They also really sold Peter as a 15 year old superhero. Its quite clear at times that he's too young for the job. He's just a kid and it shows. There are times when he's thoroughly overwhelmed. In fact much of the time he's in over his head but sometimes it breaks him down to the point of crying. And you can buy it because he looks young enough. This isn't Tobey Maquire playing a 30 year old graduate man-whining.

The dynamic with him and Tony works surprisingly well too. Spiderman is supposed to be a kid playing superhero without guidance. Well, Tony doesn't exactly make for a great father figure so Spiderman can get some help from him without ruining the dynamic of kid in over his head trying to figure things out by himself.

*I only mention race to complete the list of things they changed. If the character had otherwise been correct, that wouldn't have bothered me. Liz Allen was also race swapped in this movie and she was fine.
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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Daemian Lucifer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:59 pm

Wide And Nerdy wrote:My only sticking point is MJ. They didn't try at all to get her right.


I read somewhere that that was on purpose.She isnt supposed to be marry jane at all,hence why all the changes.Either way,its not the first character they completely turned upside down in these movies so ehhh.Though casting a sexy redhead would be a huge plus in my book.
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Postby Steve C » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:29 am

I watched Spiderman today. Loved it. It was charming and genuinely funny. I laughed at all the points I was supposed to laugh at. The twist caught me in the best way. I did not see it coming and still felt it was foreshadowed well enough that I could have guessed. It could be the best Marvel movie. It probably isn't once given some distance. It's up there regardless.

Tom Holland made a great Spiderman. It's clear to me that they are not basing it off Spiderman from decades gone past. Liz Allen in the movie was not race swapped. It's this Liz Allen. That was 9 years ago. So the young teen demographic for that show is now the mid-twenty-something demographic for this movie. Makes sense (and it makes me feel old.)

I expected a more of a coming of age arc. IE Spiderboy into Spiderman. That didn't happen. The movie seemed to be going in that direction and then didn't quite get there. It didn't need to though so /shrug. Leaves it open for the next one I guess. That is *if* they decide to go there. They could easily keep him as the tryhard kid. It worked well this time and I can easily see them continuing until it doesn't work.

Also I'm pretty sure Chris Evens really loves Marvel cameos.
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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Lachlan the Sane » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:52 am

I caught Despicable Me 3 with my little brother. It doesn't really work. The story is seriously missing any kind of emotional arc and Gru's adopted daughters -- who are supposed to be the emotional core of these films -- are barely there at all. Illumination were obviously trying for an arc between Lucy and the daughters, but it's so bare-bones that it barely qualifies as an arc -- I'm pretty certain you can't describe an arc with only two points of data, and they get all of two relationship scenes. Minion haters can be somewhat sated, because the Minions go on strike early in the movie and don't share many of Gru's scenes, but the minion scenes are longer, more elaborate, and more irrelevant than ever. The antagonist is the best part of the film -- he played a child villain in a terrible 80's TV show, and started re-enacting all of his schemes from the show after it was cancelled when he hit puberty. Expect many jokes about terrible 80's kitsch, like Rubik's Cubes and keytars.
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Postby Narratorway » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:56 am

I found out Trollhunter is on Netflix and I'd been hankering to get in on its action back when I spotted the trailer those many many years ago. It's a fun ride if a bit...light. It's a pretty point A to B framework and the whole mockumentary part is more than a little dated, but its got a really well done sense of humor about itself and the special effects are surprisingly on point for such an old movie though they are pretty damn sparse.
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Postby Wide And Nerdy » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:52 pm

Steve C wrote:I watched Spiderman today. Loved it. It was charming and genuinely funny. I laughed at all the points I was supposed to laugh at. The twist caught me in the best way. I did not see it coming and still felt it was foreshadowed well enough that I could have guessed. It could be the best Marvel movie. It probably isn't once given some distance. It's up there regardless.


It also felt like a different sort of twist than you normally get. Its not "he was dead all along" or "its you FROM THE FUTURE" or anything fantastic like that. Its something that could reasonably happen and it adds a nice bit of complication at just the right point in the plot. I'd almost guess that originally this was just going to be a normal scene of boy first meeting his date's parents on his first ever date and that they later thought "too boring, what if the Vulture was her dad? That would really pick up the scene and keep the movie on pace." And it did just that.


Steve C wrote:Tom Holland made a great Spiderman. It's clear to me that they are not basing it off Spiderman from decades gone past. Liz Allen in the movie was not race swapped. It's this Liz Allen. That was 9 years ago. So the young teen demographic for that show is now the mid-twenty-something demographic for this movie. Makes sense (and it makes me feel old.)


He's more of a kid which I kind of like. A 15 year old in the sixties might be closer to being a grown up ready to take on those responsibilities but a 15 year old boy today is still very much a kid only starting to play at more adult things. This is an era when twenty somethings are still not really adults. I liked those moments when you could almost hear him shout "mommy" if he had one.

This is the kind of kid who could use a father figure more than the sixties version needed.

Steve C wrote:I expected a more of a coming of age arc. IE Spiderboy into Spiderman. That didn't happen. The movie seemed to be going in that direction and then didn't quite get there. It didn't need to though so /shrug. Leaves it open for the next one I guess. That is *if* they decide to go there. They could easily keep him as the tryhard kid. It worked well this time and I can easily see them continuing until it doesn't work.


I'm looking forward to seeing a Spiderman who's Aunt May knows he's Spiderman. That was a funny moment at the end. With the reimagining of the characters the old conceits, like the idea that Aunt May is too old and frail to know, just don't hold up. She's anything but frail. Helloooo!! I never thought I'd have a crush on Aunt May.

Steve C wrote:Also I'm pretty sure Chris Evens really loves Marvel cameos.


Best cameo. Also my favorite joke from the movie "I'm pretty sure that guy's a war criminal now but whatever."
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Postby Daemian Lucifer » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:06 pm

Wide And Nerdy wrote:I liked those moments when you could almost hear him shout "mommy" if he had one.


Its great how he manages to portray two distinct layers of spiderman at the same time.He is a very competent and tough superhero,but at the same time he is an unsure kid.The beginning of the fight with the "avengers" where he tries to find the perfect cool pose was great.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:This is the kind of kid who could use a father figure more than the sixties version needed.


And yet,all he has is tony stank.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing a Spiderman who's Aunt May knows he's Spiderman.


Yeah,the mcu does heavily go in the direction of no cover identities.Which Im perfectly fine with.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:Helloooo!! I never thought I'd have a crush on Aunt May.


Ah,so you never read trouble.

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Wide And Nerdy wrote:Best cameo. Also my favorite joke from the movie "I'm pretty sure that guy's a war criminal now but whatever."


My favorite is "Ask yourself what would captain america do",and then peter rebels.Also the end.There were only two people in the theater crazy enough to wait for it.Worth it.
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Re: Movies are cool as well

Postby Wide And Nerdy » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:48 pm

Daemian Lucifer wrote:
Wide And Nerdy wrote:I liked those moments when you could almost hear him shout "mommy" if he had one.


Its great how he manages to portray two distinct layers of spiderman at the same time.He is a very competent and tough superhero,but at the same time he is an unsure kid.The beginning of the fight with the "avengers" where he tries to find the perfect cool pose was great.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:This is the kind of kid who could use a father figure more than the sixties version needed.


And yet,all he has is tony stank.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing a Spiderman who's Aunt May knows he's Spiderman.


Yeah,the mcu does heavily go in the direction of no cover identities.Which Im perfectly fine with.

Wide And Nerdy wrote:Helloooo!! I never thought I'd have a crush on Aunt May.


Ah,so you never read trouble.

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Wide And Nerdy wrote:Best cameo. Also my favorite joke from the movie "I'm pretty sure that guy's a war criminal now but whatever."


My favorite is "Ask yourself what would captain america do",and then peter rebels.Also the end.There were only two people in the theater crazy enough to wait for it.Worth it.


"What would Captain America Do?" Is terrible advice for kids. Captain America jumps out of planes without a parachute. He rebels against government to help his friends (something I support Cap doing but a child shouldn't do that). Tony certainly wouldn't want Peter to do what Captain America does as that would have Peter becoming a more active superhero.

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