John wrote: Be cool, John. Be cool.
Nobody who posts in this thread is cool.
Supahewok wrote:John wrote: Be cool, John. Be cool.
Nobody who posts in this thread is cool.
John wrote:It was the worst of times. Those years taught me that no matter how much I might like Star Trek, no matter how strong my opinions about Star Trek might be, I will never feel entirely comfortable calling myself a Star Trek fan. It's mostly because of Voyager. Like most people I knew at the time, I was pretty excited about getting a new Star Trek series. The pilot wasn't all that great but it was still better than the pilot for Next Generation or even Deep Space 9. But it was clear even just a few episodes in that the show was really not interested in dealing with its own premise in a serious way. I wasn't enjoying myself, so I stopped watching about half-way through the first season. A number of other people in the forum had a similar reaction to the show. This, according to certain posters, was treason. We were being disloyal, they said. Voyager was fine, they said. No TV show is good right at the beginning, they said. Voyager was going to get better in a couple of years--just like TNG!--they said, and for this reason we were somehow obligated to continue watching. The resulting arguments lasted maybe a year before the two sides settled into a mutual, sullen sort of hostility.
John wrote:You need not fear that I will spam this (or any other forum) with reviews of new Star Trek stuff.
Daemian Lucifer wrote:Though I probably will,because Ive decided to watch all of the trek in order.But thats going rather slowly.
JadedDM wrote:Daemian Lucifer wrote:Though I probably will,because Ive decided to watch all of the trek in order.But thats going rather slowly.
Order of release, or chronological order?
Andrew wrote:It happened in Voyager, DS9, and TNG (I never watched much of TOS but I assume it happened there too!!) and, surprise surprise, it's happening again in Enterprise.
John wrote:Poor Daemian. What have you been watching?
John wrote:The Prime Directive's real purpose is, of course, to create Drama. Or maybe Pathos. Something like that. It exists specifically to forbid Our Heroes from doing compassionate and heroic things. At least that's how it worked in TNG, as I recall.
Daemian Lucifer wrote:Pen pals.Which is not the worst of the prime directive episodes,but still has some pretty bad moments(Cosmic plan?For real??).At least the crew isnt as insufferable as in season 1.Most of the time.Heck,even pulaski can be tolerable in a few of her scenes.
It just so happens that "The Episode with the Planet of the Garden of Eden Except With a Snakehead Computer Thing" is the correct title of the episode in question. Lucky guess!John wrote:Gah. I wish I could remember episode titles better.
No, which is why Daemian has a point. The Prime Directive is rooted at least partly in the idea that the Federation are not gods, that they are fallible, that their own values and ideals are subjective, and that interventionism in pre-stellar societies unacceptably fulfills the role and assumes the responsibility of a deity over a primitive civilization.mwchase wrote:If there is a "cosmic plan", does that give them in specific guidance in any specific situation?
The Rocketeer wrote:Wouldn't meeting weird, apparently all-powerful entities like the Q and various godmonsters make someone more likely to believe in higher, incomprehensible beings, possibly to include a 'cosmic plan?' Not necessarily any specific higher entity or plan, mind you, but the possibility of one or more, in general.
Daemian Lucifer wrote:Ugh,I hate prime directive episodes in anything post the original show.How the hell did the writers get from "we should not get involved with internal societal problems of others,unless it is done to correct someone elses mess" to "there is a God and he has a plan for everyone in the universe,and if said plan says that the whole civilization has to die pointlessly,so be it"?Say what you will about how ds9 betrayed Genes vision,or how nutrek misses the point of old shows,or how enterprise completely screwed over the formation of the federation,but I maintain that tng committed the worst sin of them all when it deified the prime directive and the rest followed that stupid path.
Andrew wrote:there is no Prime Directive!!
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