Wide And Nerdy wrote:
4th Dimension wrote:As for Kyros making Arachons, that is not really what she does. Arachons simply happen naturally, and their creation is a bit of clap your hands if you belive type of situation where myth gives rise to actual powers.
No I understand. I know Archons normally happen the way you said (though Sirin doesn't fit). I was just saying that Kyros might be trying to forge a specific type of Archon for a specific purpose. But you're right, given that there is apparently no way to appease Kyros, I guess that wasn't his/her plan. So this was an accident and Kyros got his power some other way. Perhaps its simply that you have some natural ability that is awakened by the edicts. They mention that the tower resonates with your voice so its then boosting this power the Edicts awakened in you so that you can proclaim the Edicts you've absorbed. Maybe Kyros started this way at a different spire.
There's in-text evidence that confirms your theory that Kyros is deliberately trying to craft an Archon of Spires. We don't know for definite he is, but several people in the game speculate that he must be, because they point out that it was odd for him to send someone to proclaim two edicts (which presumably he previously avoided to stop people believing in that person. They also point out that he chose the location of the second edict so that you _would_ end up at the bottom of a spire unless you died in the process.
I think there's also evidence that Kyros has deliberately crafted Archon's by putting them in situations where their fame will grow in the right areas for him. He's certainly very good at finding people who are gathering Archon level power, making sure they're bent to his will and then putting them in situations where they will fully attain status. He did that with the Disfavoured, when Kyros approached Ashe, Ashe had become powerful, but he wasn't a fully recognised Archon. My memory is a bit vagu here though.
I also believe it's very likely that Kyros got started the same way you did. Unlike other things he/she tries to erase people's memories of spires and to make them believe that she is older than the spires even though it's the other way round.
The bit I can't decide is, is the power you assume at the end of the game still in Kyros' plan or did she want you get enough power to help defeat the other archon's but overshot it and created something even Kyros will struggle to control.
It's one time where I really appreciate keeping the main villain distant and unknown. You don't lack information on Kyros, everyone
has their own insights into her/him and then can range from real information to baseless speculation - and the whole world and events are driven by Kyros so you can draw conclusions from that too. But the vagueness makes Kyros unpredictable and puts questions on every event. Did Kyros mean this to happen? If you lose the court battle with Tunon and you went down the anarchy path, then Bleden Mark will attack Tunon only to be annihilated by measures Kyros put in place to stop him - measures which Bleden Mark thought he'd used you to circumvent. That suggests Kyros wouldn't give you this power unless he had some way of bringing you down and since he hasn't, either you unknowingly broke free or you're actions are still what was desired
If they do make a sequel (which sadly seems unlikely), they'd have to be so careful about what they reveal. Either they have some great thematic twist where Kryos is completely other, or keep him/them vague. I'll be sad even to learn their gender if he's going to be straightforward evil. I'm tempted by the idea that Kyros doesn't even really exist anymore. That was a really cool theme of the Archon's in the final act, them pointing out that they are as much victims to Archonification as benefiters. Do you always think I was a hooded mask of hate and lies?
. Archon's are all changed by their process and none of them are happy about it - Tunon didn't judge me well because I persisted on talking about his masks and the fact that Tunon almost certainly doesn't have a face beneath them either. And Ashe was never comfortable with his divinity, as a man who had always been a soldier amongst soldiers, the first amongst equals whose devotion and attention to his brethren had attained magic, as an Archon he was no longer one of them and it destroyed his core.
So if all that is true of people who are just the Archon of Shadows or War or Secrets, what has happened to the Archon of Everything? Surely he has no humanity left. Maybe he is just a voice on each person's tongue and a chain in the heart now. The Archon of Song and others describe him as a person, but it's hard to fully trust them and Ashe and Tunon knew him before Kyros had reached his zenith.